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Penalty Flag? he smiles and there is love in his heart. Maybe six months from now, there'll be another terrible story, and we'll know that they BS'd us. I dont think it is realistic. Mr. Petry was fired and ordered to be excommunicated and shunned for his opposing Driscolls move to consolidate power in the church and not have Biblical accountability before the elders. Title (remembering marks sermon about mark being king) jesus is seated and he stands up for stephen. Wow! Not here to argue about this, just pointing it out. His most shocking was when just before he stepped down from the pulpit and was in the midst of many scandals, he did a sermon on the many mistakes of Jesus. they get tired of hearing his kind words they shove it into his mouth. especially i want to comment Bills comment: A group of followers dealing directly with each other and not with an institution sounds appealing. i have seen this with great fruit but sooner or later they seem to join a church and then get into the organized one leader concept of church, usually a small church and then i have seen the vision they had and the practice of each one seeking the Lord individually disapear and be replaced by how to organize and raise funds to do more in the name of the Lord. As a result, the IRS has guidelines on their political activity. to confer grace through the sacraments. One needed them because they were somehow spiritually qualified (?) Or there are people who were sexually abused by Uncle so and so who have forgiven him, and perhaps the man has done his time, but their forgiveness does not mean that they would ever allow their children in the same room with him. That idea was right before the idea that they were always having to give a lot of money to the church while we have voluntary giving. He should not be making a buck off Jesus in any way, shape, or form, IMO. Anyone who knowingly overlooks all this has no judgement. Additionally, Jonna Petry (who started the blog Joyful Exiles) was shunned along with the Petry children. I have learned much on this blog and often from your comments which are intelligent and insightful. They sing and wave their arms and hug and praise other givers. well this world is full of executives that get caught in sin and crime and immorality that give wonderful speeches of how sorry they are and then they turn around and get a promotion and never give a single thought to the people they destroyed on their way to the top. His behaviour has been SO egregious, that I believe that he needs to stay out of anything that offers him a place of leadership or authority. ( As with the dituation with John Mark mentioned in Acts, and the conflict with Peter mentioned in Galatians. In his introductory remarks, he spoke of Marks kindness, humility. (This was all before the sex sermons and book.) District. The virus is having a wonderful time right now spreading through this country, taking advantage of circumstances where people have let their guard go down. And he cant really do that if he keep holding on to the more sexist, frat boy type of Christianity that Neo Calvinists support that he was espousing at Mars Hill. Christian institutions are trying to express an organic Jesus in non-organic structures. http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/oct/07/hillsong-pastor-brian-houston-found-fathers-sex-abuse-confession-agonising also, He was engaging, funny and gracious. Same deal with Driscoll, just a different sound track. In other words, his behavior did change. I was shocked and deeply saddened to see photos from the James River event over the weekend. He needs to clean up the mess that he made. What Im curious though is how the church (corporate) can self regulate against that in the face of the money and power, both spiritual and temporal, that types like MD help create. No it wasnt, thanks for the insights. As much as I distrust Acts29 and the YRR, and as much as many see Matt Chandlers action as mere damage control, at least he admitted that they screwed up, and there is still hope that he really meant it and that they will really act differently in the future because theyve learned something. re: Lindells article. @ Bob M: He was a mass murdering thug. "But we can speak and encourage people to vote in terms of the morality of the issue.". Dont give into his deception. Come on Lindell, Morris, Kellogg and Johnston. She came to me in sorrow that she walked away from a relationship with Agathos after that Mars Hill warning.. Church buildings do not equal Jesus Christ. Even if Houston hadnt properly researched before the demise of MH, surely he must have learned something to have made the decision to downgrade MD from speaker to interviewee. (if you heard anything on the internet its not true, mark scrubbed his site already so if its on the internet a bunch of liars wrote it) we dont want to shoot the wounded. He genuinely seemed to care. Training ourselves to sense right from wrong based on the Word of God and empowered by the Holy Spirit will result in a clear conscience.. Applying this mode to spiritual abuse has gotten me thinking..and I wonder if in the future Mark will only hang around people/churches that are willing to stay on this Drama Triangle. mode. To tell, perhaps? That would be terrible. A grunge rock Lord Byron mad, bad and dangerous to know. now it seems that it has just gone to big business making a dollar off of Jesus name and some easy to quote scriptures. . To learn more, visit ja. "This ordinance reduces freedom of religion to freedom of worship," he said. full of manly manness and praise of human strength and wisdom and all the attributes mark has himself. I read somewhere that the church that bought, I think, the main campus property has a female pastor. Ill talk to you more tomorrow, so dont forget to check back! Did Paul plagiarize? I didnt feel pressured. I think its much the same thing. pic.twitter.com/FwaVnYEZIi. What I dont get is why Hillsong and Assemblies of God (James River Church), who have extremely different views on women in the church would even consider someone like Mark Driscoll as a special speaker. Who would have thought that the message of the Cross for ALL people (the whosoever wills) would be diminished in pentecostal ranks?! If a pastor says anything positive about another pastor, they have something to hide. Stephens, in my opinion, has gone to great lengths to keep his position on the ordinance incomprehensible. LOL! Until Mark repents of his Peasant Princess series along with its cartoon, and his Esther series, and his man stay-at-home man fail rants, the only sermon I will listen to of his and his supporters is John 3:16. So now is the time ta share with kind folks the destination of their eternal soul? Its a professional, corporate institutional model based on an unbiblical clergy/ laity distinction. Lindell reused the Robert Morris line of chiding his congregation to stop shooting the wounded. How can a reasonable person look past that? Six months for Driscoll does not represent later in life, give him another ten or twenty years. Ironically, in giving this speech, Lindell was doing just that shooting the wounded. I study a lot of the giant DFW megas but most of my data is still filtered through the Gateway lens. The man can speak pretty well and seems to fill the pews. No I wouldnt allow someone who was an embezzler or criminal back in charge, of course not. I think it should lie with the one who broke the trust in the first place. This pastor was humble! The way I see things may be different in that I see the individuals in the Kingdom being more important than mediating organizations in the church universal. actually Jesus spoke to people He had healed early in His ministry and told them not to tell everyone, they did anyway and He spent the rest of His ministry having crowds pressing against Him and having to go hide sometimes. During this pandemic we have helped thousands of people with food, financial assistance, counsel, and spiritual encouragement. what would you say and do (if they stoned you) angry mob is murdering him openly publicly and shamefully. All the celebrity has to do is play the victim/repented card and teach cheap grace. It is an issue of protecting other people. I believe these churches are using Driscoll as fallen pastor insurance. Treating the congregation as customers is pure evil, IMO. "A missionary is a qualified Christian sent out under the authority of a local church to an area of recognized need in order to pursue the work of the Great Commission." And of course JLindell can know that MD has NOT repented and sought reconciliation with those he threatened with breaking their nose, and then expelled and shunned. There were a number of other worship songs that roll on after this one, if these are your taste. Thats how reasonable people see past the wicked. The teachings of Christ are based on love and forgiveness, and I will not write off Mark as a person simply because of the things that people have said about him, a small minority of people signing a petition or statements he has made many years ago for which he has since repeatedly apologised, Houston said. Under the circumstances, Mark Driscoll needs a time out, huh? So many damaged lives. I really appreciate your insights Lydia. Great comment Bridget. Q. During this pandemic, we have helped thousands of people with food, financial assistance, counsel, and. Their statements to Karen Hinkley and everyone else may be complete cynical BS to pull the wool over everyone's eyes, or at least those of their pewsitters. he was chosen because the apostles couldnt be bothered by distributing food to widows) first martyr in church. I would lay 50 to 1 odds that a change in MD will be announced and proved to be a change in words not a change in behavior! We saw the Dallas Morning News drop TVC story like it had Ebola germs on it despite knowing that parents were not being warned of a pedophile in their midst. You have a holy responsibility to lead your flock in truth and light yet you are deliberately misleading them. Have you noticed the more scandals from some thugs they actually become more popular? If anything, Chandler has to present himself as the UnMark to a degree that few connect dots. 17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you. Obviously, I disagree with Lindell on the upcoming vote. . So why would they view power and authority as central to the Gospel? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Ditto Bent Meyer who opposed the consolidation of powerful. What a waste of a ministry! @ sam: Barnabus is the hero of this story that gets little press. I will post about this. I see him as a conference speaker on a different circuit. How do you see this as someone looking in? I would argue the reverse. Mark pretty much mandated participation in weekly Life Groups plus you had to use their social media platform The City to stay connected. He is a draw. MD should never have been a pastor based on how much contempt he has for his fellow man. I dont think theres been any repentance at all. Gateway also directly lifted the slogan every number has a name, every name has a story.. spiel verbatim from Perry Nobles NewSpring to try to distract from the reality that every member is seen as a giving unit number (no attribution to Perry, of course). as to revenue streams, Jesus paid His taxes with money a fish popped up with. 2023 www.news-leader.com. For more information about James River Church and to get connected, click the link below! How they hold their hands, pat their hearts, stomp their feet, fall to their knees, wipe away fake tears, etc is all taught in classes. If a pastor says anything positive about another pastor, and that other pastor has a history of patterns of behavior and teachings that are destructive it is wise to ask pastor 1 if he has checked him out before he promotes him. (KY3) - OZARK, Mo. it sounds like you have a story of sorts. since we are all clergy??? Welcome Home to Church Online! Its easy to be friendly, humble, attentive, polite, , to your peers and to your superiors. In his introductory remarks, he spoke of Marks kindness, humility. (?) Certainly, Fulgencio Batista (dictator of Cuba at the time of the communist takeover) was a very corrupt man, whose government did terrible things, as with Trujillo in the Dominican Republic, Papa Doc Duvalier in Haiti, and many others. I think it underestimates those believers in the pews who are, themselves, filled with the Spirit and do exhibit the fruit of Galations 5. Also, as Driscolls friend, John Piper, wrote: pastors are not professionals. these were murders not trials. Otherwise, quit calling those 40 pastors and all those victims liars. His Father owns the cattle on a thousand hills and Jesus never asked a single person for a single penny. In my opinion Gateway is a cult not a church so they lose their Winters Bone protection status. a couple months ago a young under legal age man near where i live went to a party and drove home with other kids in the car and wrecked. We live in a youtube world where fun and funny trump all. I read your comment and have thought about this a lot. I'm not sure I find that expansion of "serious sin" cheating? pic.twitter.com/Wt6wZOdE9J. I know historical accounts can be skewed. If so you may be onto something. (I saw a guy do this on a live stage in England once, on a YouTube video. Bah, hit reply to soon. "In other words, you can believe what you want within the confines of the four walls of the church as long as you don't live it outside of the church.". That does not even mention the eradication of those who did not agree and his cognitive dissonance concerning Hiroshima and working to bring USSR Nuclear missles in Cuba claiming it would be good to use them on Imperialist American. No one except lemmings following blindly to where the MoG leads believes them when they say that they only learned about certain facts recently. Im trying to get people to understand it because theres a whole lot of stuff thats out there thats being said, much of it is just just simply not even close to truth. Clear All United States - All Cities The Weapons Of Our Warfare Are Not Carnal?. Look all those happy people; this must be a great place! Thanks for sharing your answer Lydia. It is deceiving men so they will be more inclined to pay those 500+ employees their hundred thousand dollar pay packages. All 6,115 words of it. If he is serious about ministry then he needs to stay away from those circumstances which enable him to get into trouble-money, power and the pulpit. there is a minor child involved that both of them love deeply. I dont see him pastoring a church and I am not even sure his legal problems from the last one are over. But if I had trusted my gut at the time I would have admitted that staff viewing the members as guests is so far outside Body of Christ thinking it should not require an explanation. If there is one thing I know it is that those around Acts 29 circles are now in Mark who? There was no light show. In the wake of this and other scandals, the Mars Hill Church collapsed . I followed up on the link and have been sharing this song with families and friends! It was because of a backfire in strategy by then executive pastors Jamie Munson and Scott Thomas, who handled my discipline case. They did not want us to leave. I dont think Christians have to throw out common sense/reason/logic. But one morning as I sat at my desk in y basement office, I looked up at my little bulletin board. Hillsong church head Brian Houston accused alleged child abuse victim of tempting father, inquiry told, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783128/Hillsong-church-founder-offered-sex-abuse-victim-10000-meeting-McDonalds-restaurant.html. Im not invested in liking or disliking Che so I truly welcome your comments. one passenger died. Who cares about that pesky truth so long as there are clean bathrooms, great hot coffee and rockin worship? Guess well see. The first time, it was shocking. Unfortunately, during this difficult season, the focus has been taken off of Jesus and put on me, and that is not what The ROC is all about., http://www.richmond.com/news/local/crime/article_8c6b7719-c4af-523b-b3a6-3c6131e32fd3.html. The worst of all the bad these churches can do (apart from sexual assaults) is brainwashing the kids into their cult beliefs so that they will not accept the true Word of God at a later date. Its all PR spin, because they got caught with their (or, pardon the metaphor, MDs) pants down. paul was the most influential person in christianity after Jesus. But the attempt was cut short Sunday when Hillsong, one of the most influential international megachurches, cut him from the speaker list at its upcoming conferences in the United Kingdom and in Australia. But much of the Australian backlash has centred around Mr Driscoll's comments about women. He is young and using Jesus is all he knows. Great insight. When not enough graduates came forward they started begging people please any graduate or relative of a graduate, even if you just graduated from Kindergarten, please please come get your free gift because what Kindergartner doesnt need advice on how to buy a car? He threatened to make sure that I could never be in ministry again. As I listened, I couldn't help but wonder where things stand between Mark and those he threw under the bus. How far can a pastor go in preaching the gospel when it comes to a political issue? In attempting to keep us from leaving they recruited the largest donor to Agathos (who was also a large donor to Mars Hill Church) to encourage us to stay. But over time became desensitized and swept up in group-think so as to eventually accept it as acceptable in the 21st century. I told him that. Excellent comment! He was an abusing thug. By and large, our local churches have been great examples of staying emotionally connected while protecting one another in this pandemicthis example does not do those congregations justice., I stg we're the dumbest country in world. His statement is factually incorrect. This was a new song to me. I would hope we should higher standards than that. I am not the judge of the hearts of men, but God has given us clues to the genuine presence of the Spirit, and I did not see it. Are you not voting? stephen doesnt blameshift, doesnt lose his temper, stays calm. Not me, not you, and definitely not Mark Driscoll.